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Does a Mantis form exist in Jow Ga??
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Author:  Highland Laddie [ Mon Oct 31, 2005 11:49 am ]
Post subject:  Does a Mantis form exist in Jow Ga??
On the Chans link there was a 9 min overview of Jow Ga system. One of the guys did a mantis form. Is there one withinn the Jow Ga System. Didnt think so.
Author:  Yogi5 [ Mon Oct 31, 2005 12:03 pm ]
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Not to my knowledge.
Author:  Highland Laddie [ Mon Oct 31, 2005 1:29 pm ]
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When i saw it on the chans kung fu link in the jowga vidoe section , i thou ght there might be one. They must be doing another form. The title below it said manits.
Author:  mysteri [ Mon Oct 31, 2005 9:23 pm ]
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i'm pretty sure there is. i've not seen it though. if i remember correctly, i was showing sifu some of the stuff on chan's site and when i ran across it, i thought i remember him saying something about jow ga having some kind of mantis form. can't remember for sure though.
Author:  fu-Pau [ Mon Oct 31, 2005 9:25 pm ]
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I don't know of one, but then again, there are lots of things that I don't know of...
Author:  Funggwajong [ Tue Nov 01, 2005 2:56 am ]
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Welcome Highland

there is praying mantis under Chow (Jow) Ah Nan, Chow Gar Praying Mantis, but that is an entirely different Chow (Jow) system.

So there is Jow(Chow) Gar Praying Mantis, but not under Jow(Chow) Lung or any of the other brothers.

years ago this guy From Europe introduced members of the U.S. Jow ga to a form called "jow ga praying mantis" at that time it was accepted in the u.s. to be the same system. It was discovered later that it wasn't the same system, but actually a form under Chow Ah nan system. the problem is that some people never found out that it wasn't the same system under Jow Lung.

there is even another school/style of kung fu seldom heard about using the Chow Gar(Jow) name. same characters, but not related. i met this school a few years ago.

It would be nice to add "praying mantis" to our system's curriculum, but as of now i don't know of any Praying mantis under the 5 tigers.

in the process of promoting Jow Lung's Jow Ga, it seems important to try and clarify this particular issue when necessary

regards
FGJ :wink:
Author:  Jow Ye Roc [ Tue Nov 01, 2005 8:47 am ]
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thanks for that clarification. I always wondered because i've seen websites from like hungary or something called chow ka praying mantis. Also in our kwoon there is a picture and article about Sifu Dean Chin and i could swear it said he learned jow ga praying mantis. I'll have to double check that tonite.
Author:  Funggwajong [ Tue Nov 01, 2005 10:26 am ]
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Hi Jow Ye Roc

Sigung Chin had a friend from England who taught Chow (Jow) Ga Tong Long (praying mantis). I vaguely recall reading something where it mentioned Sigung Chin's name and "mantis" but i think it was written in the wrong context. SiGung Chin himself made a list of forms he knew, a very long list, and according to this list (that i got from my sifu ) :wink: there is no mention of Jow Ga Praying Mantis. Also i just happened to have a list of the old D.C. Chinatown school curriculum (that i got from my sifu) and there is no mention of Praying Mantis, only jow ga & chin woo forms.

check out the history of and lineage of Chow (Jow) Praying Mantis and you'll see there is no relationship. Could one particular Jow Ga Branch from Jow Lung etc... have adopted a Praying Mantis form, maybe so i don't know? It seems reasonably possible since some branches have adopted monkey, snake, and dragon forms under our ancestors name, but i am pretty sure "praying mantis" isn't an original.

i've heard that Chow Praying Mantis is an awesome style, but i think out of respect for both our ancestors we should make this distinction known.

regards
Funggwajong :D
Author:  Highland Laddie [ Tue Nov 01, 2005 11:21 am ]
Post subject:  mantis form
Thanks for your response to my question.
Author:  Jow Ye Roc [ Tue Nov 01, 2005 5:14 pm ]
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no doubt! thanks funggwajong, you're the goods!
Author:  po-pai [ Sat Apr 08, 2006 9:02 pm ]
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I train at chans and we do have to mantis forms in our jow ga. I think my sifu might have added it to our system. It is something a little different and adds quite a feww new techniques to understand.
Author:  mysteri [ Sun Apr 09, 2006 1:34 am ]
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hey po-pai, welcome to Shaolin Round Table! always good to see more jow ga on the map. i like the website that ur sifu has put together and i think i have met a few of ur hingdai in the past, but not in person. i hope that will change some day soon. again, welcome to SRT!

"yat ga"

brandon
Author:  Blooming Lotus [ Sat Apr 15, 2006 9:44 pm ]
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Funggwajong wrote:
Hi Jow Ye Roc

Sigung Chin had a friend from England who taught Chow (Jow) Ga Tong Long (praying mantis). I vaguely recall reading something where it mentioned Sigung Chin's name and "mantis" but i think it was written in the wrong context. SiGung Chin himself made a list of forms he knew, a very long list, and according to this list (that i got from my sifu ) :wink: there is no mention of Jow Ga Praying Mantis. Also i just happened to have a list of the old D.C. Chinatown school curriculum (that i got from my sifu) and there is no mention of Praying Mantis, only jow ga & chin woo forms.

check out the history of and lineage of Chow (Jow) Praying Mantis and you'll see there is no relationship. Could one particular Jow Ga Branch from Jow Lung etc... have adopted a Praying Mantis form, maybe so i don't know? It seems reasonably possible since some branches have adopted monkey, snake, and dragon forms under our ancestors name, but i am pretty sure "praying mantis" isn't an original.

i've heard that Chow Praying Mantis is an awesome style, but i think out of respect for both our ancestors we should make this distinction known.

regards
Funggwajong :D


i think thats actually quite onto it..

I did some chow gar myself with Sigung Tom Lo in Brisbane, who uused to be a member of the Australian Chinese Martial Arts Committee or whatever the body is.. and also in thaat organisation is another man Henry Sue, who alsoo carries a chow gar lineage but where Sigung Tom Lo marries that with a family wu taichi and some wingchun, GM Henry Sue incorperates his into a mantis to make it dong gong chow gar tong long. Apparently they both have some connections back home in China through inter-pollination of various lineage, and imo, what happened and how that came to be, is that waay back when the "southern" temple was operational, it met and merged there with some fall out from vietnam and local family stylings.
There're a couple of links here you can have a look at, and I'm not huuuge on either of those, so don't be too hard on me, but check these out if you like..
http://www.chinesekungfuacademy.com/
http://www.shaolinchowka.com/shaolin-ku ... index.html

cheers
Author:  fu-Pau [ Mon Apr 17, 2006 9:22 pm ]
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The Chow Gar of Tom Lo and Henry Sue are two different styles.
Tom Lo is Chow Lung and his brothers Chow Gar, and Henry Sue is from Chow Gar Southern Mantis (or Tong Long). Same name, different styles.
Cheers
Author:  Blooming Lotus [ Mon Apr 17, 2006 9:46 pm ]
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Who do you mean by "his brother"???. from what Sigung TL tells me it's all branches of the saame family system...... ?? ... ???
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